ET Interpreter: Sgt. Clifford Stone
A video interview with Clifford Stone
Roswell, New Mexico, November 2006
Shot, edited and directed by Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan
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Clifford Stone: What do you
want? A story that is believable or do you want the truth? What’s going on? How
much does our government know and when did they know it?
Kerry Cassidy: You were the interface between the government
or the military, and alien visitors. Would that be correct?
C: That would be correct. There is a price to pay
when you start talking, and I don’t want to go into that too much because when
you start reliving it, you have no idea what I’m seeing in my mind right now,
just talking about the tip of the iceberg.
Two or three times I got out of the UFO field but you
want me to tell you a little secret? You can’t. There are people out there and
I’m one of them…it’s not about money. God, I wish it was. We could be going
outside of the cosmos visiting other solar systems, other planets outside of
our own. But when we do this it’s going to be that we are going to have a
spiritual heightening. In other words, we are going to have to care what
happens to the other guy.
Start of interview
K: Clifford Stone, I’m very
happy to be able to interview you here today. And there is a great deal of
respect for what you have done and for your courage in coming forward and
talking about it. It’s very exciting to actually get you on camera.
C: Thank you, ma’am.
K: And so we are here actually in a really amazing
place. This is the Roswell UFO Museum. Do you mind telling us how you ended up
in Roswell?
C: Well, The United States Army sent me here. I’m
retired military.
K: OK…
C: So, being retired military, you are always
subject to recall and you are always subject to possibly being asked things as
a consultant. I retired as a Sergeant First Class.
K: Now, was your title a clerk? I understand that
was a cover story? Is that correct?
C: You actually had, you had a real life in the
military. You had an actual mission. The only time that this other stuff came
into play was when they had a UFO incident that was to occur and you were in
the immediate area of that. I can tell you in 1965 in Vietnam there was a base
camp there that tried to open fire on a UFO. At the very minute they tried to
do that none of their weapons worked. All the electricity went out and remained
so until after the UFO left. I can tell you from being in Vietnam for four
years, yes it was four years, the records reflect 37 months but if you add up
the time of TDY that I was over there, it is right at four years, ‘TDY’ being
Temporary Duty. Not having the power on anything is very, very scary and those
were very, very tense moments.
K: As a Communicator, you were called that just in
terms of your military life, from what age did you start working in this
capacity would you say?
C: It was probably at about the age of about 19 or
20.
K: OK.
C: When it comes to people who do Interfacing,
there is no school for that. There were things that went on in your life, when
I got out there were seven people that were still in the military that did
Interfacing, only seven, and that was military-wide.
And I was put into an incident where we had a
situation that we weren’t told exactly where it was but I know …that we landed
at Ben Hua because when I look back, there was a sign, that’s where we landed.
K: Ben Hua?
C: That’s in Vietnam.
K: Oh.
C: I know it was Ben Hua because it was the same
when I went back. Now this was an incident that occurred…
K: Was it a crash? Or was it a visit?
C: We saw the entities.
K: OK…
C: This involved us going in and to try to extract
an aircraft and we did, we cut it up into, I think, about seven pieces.
K: OK. Was it one of theirs?
C: No, no, no. This was a B-52…
K: OK…
C: …that didn’t crash normal.
K:
Was it a time travel experience?
C: Nope. This was a craft that was shot down.
Everybody was killed on… everybody was dead onboard the B-52.
K: Shot down by the visitors?
C: They were on a bombing mission over…. I have no
way of knowing this but I would assume they were on a bombing mission over
North Vietnam. The damage to the craft was as a result of anti-aircraft fire at
the B-52. I mean the damage was that type. And it was used for conventional
bombing. And where I said that we went in, we went from there by helicopter.
But it was just like some giant hand had grabbed the plane out of mid-air and
just set it on the jungle floor. And that’s what we were interested in.
K: Oh...
C: We didn’t know, you are not told. When we got
on the plane in the States to leave to go over there, we were told we were
going to Florida.
K: [laughs]
C: When we landed in Oakland, we knew that we were
not going to Florida. But then we went ahead and we were given a little plastic
bag. You had to cut “US ARMY” off, you had to cut your name tag off. One
thing you never do is take your dog tags off. We took our dog tags off. Every
item that could identify you went into that plastic bag. That was held for us
there at Ben Hua. That was held for us there until we came back. After the
event occurred they put me in this GP… I mean a tent… There was a table there,
there was a chair, there was a pad, there was I think a couple of pens but I
grabbed a pencil. I was to set there and just put down my thoughts.
K: OK…
C: Anyhow, getting back to the tent, that was all
that was there. I went ahead, went in and got bored, and I started to play
games of tic-tac-toe. I went outside to smoke and took the paper with me,
wadded it up and put it in my pocket. When they found that piece of paper – now
remember, all that was on it was just little games of tic-tac-toe – immediately
the guy that I always called the colonel who was always there, he came and
knocked the cigar out of my mouth and started to cuss at me profusely: “What are
you doing out there? Why do you have that?” “You can be shot for having that
paper in your pocket.” Why? It was classified waste. You didn’t take paper in
there, you took nothing in there. And everything that was in there was to stay
there. So everything that I wrote was immediately put into a... into a
briefcase, and was taken out of there by special courier. And even though I
wrote it, I was no longer cleared to see it any more.
K: Hmm…
C: Now, did you write things sometimes that you
didn’t even know you wrote? Yeah, you did. I can tell you right now that
everything I read I can have a greater understanding of some of the stuff I am
doing. Paul [his friend, who came with him to meet us] can
tell you that I do a whole lot of stuff as far as downloading. But you know
what? I don’t have to read every page... but I’ll scan every
page. While I am scanning, through me they can pick up on every thing that’s
there. It’s all old news to them but they find some things interesting. And
they’ll find some things that are bemusing to them because we
are headed in the right direction but we don’t have the right “i” dotted. And
if you know anything about mathematical formulas, we will have things in
reverse. But this right here sometimes scares you because you think, gee, is
this a good… because you’re being driven to do this.
K: So it’s fascinating, that we don’t think of
Vietnam and during the war as a time when we would also be dealing with
off-world cultures.
C: You know why? They truly were told to call them
helicopters. You were in a war zone, so what you do is you go in and put a
little Occam’s Razor in there and you eliminate to the lowest denominator. UFOs
can’t exist. Let me rephrase that. UFOs is not a good term. Interplanetary
Conveyances cannot exist, so it has to be something very earthly. NSA went
ahead and would call UFOs "UFOs" when we were monitoring
communications with the Soviet Union. But they always qualified that in hopes
that with the initiation of the Sunshine Act, later to become the Freedom of
Information Act, that they would not be subject to those acts by saying seven
UFOs being reported by such and such a location and site. But when they would
say seven UFOs, in parentheses, they would put: probably balloons. Disregard
the fact that, in the one document I am talking about, the seven UFOs were
traveling at 1700 mph. Balloons can’t do that.
K: Right.
C: I always got bemused at that, because even as a
kid I’d get bemused when people would say “I don’t believe in ghosts. However,
this happened...” and then tell a perfectly good ghost story. With me I very
early on knew that to deny the reality of UFOs and other phenomena that occurs
would be denying myself.
K: So as a communicator you definitely…
C: You don’t always tell the others what’s going
on. Remember it I told you, you feel it?
K: Yes, you feel what they feel and they feel what
you feel.
C: You don’t always address it because one of the
things that you may feel like, if they’re saying that they are a guest. If our
military is saying “Well, this is one of our guests”… they’re not treating that
entity as a guest, then what is happening is that you are feeling what that
entity was feeling..
K: Uh huh…
C: And... one situation I even helped one of them
escape. And that right there was [laughs]… I’m not telling
everything that was being said…
K: I’m curious. What went on when you dealt with
that? Was it... first of all, what kind of an entity was it? And I understand
that they were being held prisoner. But how was it that you were able...? And
in fact, Dan Burisch talks about the same thing.
C: Well, I don’t know whether it was a Stargate or
what, but in order on the inside where we had this entity, if we were to… and
there’s a tape that talks about this which gives a whole lot more detail… but
we went ahead, and if they were to try to extract this entity from inside where
we were at, then there’d have been people killed. And this entity would not
accept that. And you could feel what it felt. That’s the best way to put it.
And I’m trying to tell this without going into any real... certain details.
But, I convinced the person I always called the Colonel, and all throughout
that’s what I was calling him. We went ahead… and I said, you know, he needs to
show me something, but everybody has to be cleared from here and it’s just
gotta be me and him.
And everybody went ahead and left. There was one Spec
5 that stayed there to help me. And I said “We’ve got to cut this screen fence
back here…or this storm fence.” “We can get in trouble for that.” And I said
“Yeah, I know, that’s why I’m asking you to just drop off the bolt cutters”.[laughing] He
didn’t. He went ahead and he cut the wires for me. And we got the entity
outside.
By the time they found out, we had the entity outside
the perimeter. They went ahead and were very upset and were even to the point
when they tried to shoot the entity, but the entity was now in a position where
there was a bright, bright, bright light that came down. And I didn’t get to
see the craft. Maybe it was because I just wasn’t looking. But all of a sudden
this entity was there, then it wasn’t. Then of course, this guy I called The
Colonel, he went ahead and told me that I could be court marshaled, then “We’re
going to overlook it this time, but don’t let it happen again.”
Of course, I was chastising him: “If they’re supposed
to be our guests… why were we treating them cruel and treating them as
prisoners, as a matter of fact even worse than prisoners?” I’ve never seen
either movie of the Manchurian Candidate. And the one thing that we had, we had
identified by the time I got out, 57 different species. They were
affectionately called Heinz 57. I understand there is a phrase in one of those
movies about that.
K: Uh huh…
C: Gee, I’d love to say there’s only two or three
races …only four or five or even one. I’d love to say that, but with what I
know, if I change anything that I do know, then it’s not reality, it’s just
going ahead and saying things that people want to hear.
K: Uh huh. Well, why would you say you would want to
say there was only one or two?
C: Oh well, some people would say “We would find
your story more believable if you would say…” And “Gee. Can’t this entity be
gray because it’d be more believable?” What do you want, a story that’s
believable or do you want the truth? The truth may not fit what you believe,
but it’s the truth as I know it. And with it being the truth as I know it,
that’s all I can tell.
K: So have you ever... I’m going to assume they
must photograph these beings? Right?
C: There’s photographs.
K: OK. And... what about you? Do you ever draw
them? Do you have drawings of them?
C: Yeah, I’ve got some drawings.
K: And have you ever distributed...
C: No.
K: Are you able… at liberty to give them out at
all? Or show them?
C: Some I have and some I haven’t.
K: And are you familiar with underground bases?
C: And the technology that goes along with it.
K: OK. And so, I’m going to assume you have been
to underground bases yourself?
C: Not by choice.
K: Not by choice? That’s believable. But have you
also seen, say, Reptilians, what’s called, you know, in the UFO community, what
we call Reptilians?
C: Some species could be called Reptilians, yes.
K: And are you able to communicate with them
telepathically?
C: They can communicate with you. It’s hard to
explain. You can’t keep secrets.
K: Sure.
C: The other thing I would remind everyone is that
the program is geared and set up to where you only know what you have a need to
know. And a lot of times you know more than what you’re supposed to know, but
you don’t know everything.
K: Sure.
C: And I reiterate that anyone who tells you they
know everything is a liar. It’s not true.
K: Do you have any special alien friends that have
remained with you throughout, that are with you today? Communicating…
C: I mentioned one.
K: I’m sorry?
C: I mentioned one.
K: One. OK. That would be Korona?
C: Correct.
K: OK and Korona is… do you know what planet he’s
from?
C: Uh uh. I know it is about 100 light years away
from here, because I always use that as an example.
K: OK…
C: Real-time, from the time they leave, and
there’s a little nice thing about that, from the time they leave their home
planet which is in a star system about 100 light years from planet Earth, in
real-time travel, it is an hour and forty minutes from the time they leave and
the time they arrive here.
K: That’s marvelous. What kind of craft do they
use? Do they teleport through space or do they actually take a craft? Because
not all of them...
C: It’s a craft. They are really traveling. But
it’s through a traversable…what we call a traversable wormhole.
K: Uh huh. Now, have you ever gone with them?
C: To best of my knowledge, no. And the reason I
state that, I can remember seeing the stars that I’ve never seen them like that
anywheres on Earth. But to the best of my knowledge, no.
K: So you don’t have conscious memory, is what you
mean? Of these incidents. But you could have.
C: There have been some things that are really
scary that’s happened in my life. I mean you feel it, you actually feel the
fear before you actually see the entity.
K: So a person like you, we would think that you
would not be afraid because you are so conscious of your interaction with these
beings that I’m surprised to hear you say that you’re actually afraid. Are you
afraid to this day? Or are you talking in past tense?
C: When I have these incidences happen, yeah, you
still have that fear. I mean, that fear’s there. Even more so, because you can
feel the fear they have. We’re a very dangerous species.
K: Sure.
C: So you better believe it, they fall into our
hands, there is that fear.
K: OK. So, and this is part of the reason why I’m
going to assume they approach you as a communicator or interfacer as you call
it. Right?
C: Well, they’re very concerned about our
well-being. And a lot of people say that can’t be so. We’ve done terrible
things to ourselves. And they know this. And we… they’re trying to understand
certain things about us. And I think at the same time they’re exchanging
information saying “Hey, here’s what you have done to yourself.” I think that ties
in a lot with some of the abductions that have taken place. I think it ties in
with some of the cattle mutilations that have taken place, and I think it ties
in with some of the people absolutely disappearing off the face of the Earth.
K: OK, so there are people that are disappearing
on a regular basis, right?
C: Oh yes.
K: And they’re going to other planets? They are
going to off-world bases, I’m assuming…?
C: I don’t have the answer to that.
K: OK.
C: If you are asking me if I could have left here
possibly, but like I say there’s a purpose and I don’t know what that purpose
is.
K: Is your mission to make people aware, not only
of the other entities out there and other races and so on, but is it also
perhaps to prepare or warn of some event? Because you seem to be alluding to
some event that you don’t even know about.
C: As two points far out, they’re becoming closer
and closer together till eventually, and we ultimately know it’s going to
happen. Contact’s going be made. The NASA Department of Astrobiology held a
conference in 2000. Forget the Brookings Institute Report. This report came out
and said “You know, we don’t really know what world reaction would be”. It’s a
small report. How many people have read that report? How many people even know
about it? When we say that we can accept the reality of visitors being here, we
mean us ourselves. But even when we can accept that, how many of us are really
ready for that face to face confrontation? And I can tell you, each
time it’s different. Each time there is that little something in the
back of your mind that says “What’s going to happen here?”
And each time you know that if something goes wrong,
it’s going to equate... it could equate to the loss of life. Not because
they’re dangerous but we’re a danger to ourselves. So the whole situation is:
how do you prepare a world population for that ultimate contact, which isn’t as
astro-astronomers used to believe, that it’s going to be by a radio signal from
deep space coming here, but it’s going to be face to face and it’s going happen
on our planet.
K: Sure. Well, it’s happening daily with the
military, is it not?
C: Oh, even more so than what people really know.
But here again, most people aren’t going to talk about it.. The one thing you
want when you get out of the military, the one thing you want more than
anything... is to be normal.
K: Why? Why? Why do you want to be normal?
C: To me the greatest thing you can be is a
servant. Taking care of other people is the most important thing. The Self, the
Self should get gratification from being able to help other people. That’s
important. But all too often people will put themselves ahead of others. And
right there is where we have the problems today, in today’s world.
K: I guess, to get back to where you are saying
there’s going to be contact, in a sense you are in the forefront, a person who
can prepare the rest of humanity for this actual contact because you have been having contact.
In a sense the aliens or the off-worlders have basically been communicating,
been choosing the people around the planet to communicate with, of which you
are one, right? And so contact is something that is being prepared for as we
speak, is it not?
C: Worldwide.
K: OK. Are you thinking… a lot of people like to
say it’s going to happen for the world to see, aliens are going to land on the
White House lawn. Something of this nature.
C: No.
K: In a certain sense, it’s going on every day.
The military is dealing with... certainly they have captured, as you say, they
are holding prisoner some of these entities. We have also had treaties with
some of the races, have we not?
C: OK, I’ve heard about the treaties. But here
again, that’s not a part of something I’ve worked with.
K: OK.
C: Well, I’ll tell you this, I think that by 2016
that something better have happened. Because at 2016 I think that we’re going
to have to announce to the world that there’s a probe that comes very close to
the Earth every 15 or 20 years. And we’ve been calling it an asteroid. It’s not
an asteroid. But it actually in reality is an artificial probe. In other words,
somebody else put it here. They have found us long time ago. The technology
will probably be pretty much on a par to, say, Voyager. It’ll be old antiquated
technology by all their standards.
K: So what are you saying? Is this probe… do you
know what race?
C: I’m saying we have already found it. Our
paradigm says that it can’t be an artificial craft of any sort, therefore we
refuse to accept that and we call it an asteroid. I’m talking about BG1991.
Roughly 30 meters in diameter, highly polished surface. Asteroids don’t have a
highly polished surface. It took corrective course changes to avoid collision
with another asteroid. That don’t happen. This one it did.
K: So where... what race is this from, from what
planet? Do you know?
C: I don’t know.
K: Do you think that the aliens have given you an
upgrade, have modified your DNA in any way? Are you aware that your abilities
have been augmented or have grown?
C: Yeah, but you try not to use those because you
can... you know of things that are going to happen before they happen. And a
lot of times you can’t do anything to change them. Like I knew that, didn’t
know who, but I knew one of my kids was going get killed on a
motorcycle. And that’s hard. I mean before my son was killed, on the Wednesday
prior to that, I knew that he parked the motorcycle in back of the car …I knew
that I could go ahead, back up over it, and run over it a couple of times. But
I also knew the family would not understand that I did that to stop with what
was… let me rephrase it…as an attempt to stop what I knew was going to happen.
K: So you’re a precog? I mean, this is what they
call a precog. You knew in the future before it happened. You were not able to
necessarily change it or stop it. But there’s a reason why things happen. I
mean you must agree?
C: Oh yeah…
K: So, in a sense that must be a peace for you
because it’s not just that we... that you know, but also souls know
what might happen. Souls are aware. In other words, we are all aware when we
are going to die. We might not know it consciously, but we do know, right? So,
in that sense it’s not your responsibility either to prevent a happening or not
if that’s something that in a sense that we as souls agree to the scenario
happening. Right?
C: Well, like I say, with them, they can even
communicate with what we call the other side. But even at that, given their
advanced technology there are still forbidden questions.
K: OK.
C: I’m tried to avoid saying something here. Let’s
just say that with the death of my son… they helped me visit with him one time.
K: Sure.
C: Like I told you there are questions unless you
ever ask… it was… I knew if I go back fifteen minutes, I knew where he was all
those locations. If I could go back fifteen minutes, I could stop the accident
from happening. All I had to do was delay his movement anywheres along that
fifteen minutes for just a minute or so…and I would alter the outcome.
K: But…
C: But once again, there’s that break off. Here’s
our reality [motioning with hands]. Here you create that other
parallel. And for some odd reason it’s not good to create that other parallel,
and they know this. Also, it was pointed out that you cannot escape the reality
of this time continuum that we find ourselves, because his death is reality to
me in this time frame I find myself. The Second World War happened. I must
return to the point from which I depart within that space time. I’m not going
to remain in the other one. And a lot of people, like I said the other night,
would stay there. No, because it was pointed out to me quite clear. And I can’t
explain this... I couldn’t go and debate it scientifically, but it’s a natural
barrier. Which is why with time travel, when we discover it in our future,
we’re not going to find evidence of it being left anyplace along the line…
because of that natural barrier. We may even see them, we may sense them, we
may even be able to interact to a degree. But nothing associated with the
future tied with the day we discover time travel is going to be left in any
altered reality. They say OK, time travel hasn’t happened yet because we would
have evidence of it. Uh uh, there won’t be any evidence left. And there’s a
natural barrier there. The whole situation is we are a part of something
greater, more vast and we’re on an adventure. And we’re a part of that
adventure.
K: Uh huh…
C: And we all play certain parts in that. But just
like when you brought it up about they are us … and I say, [referring
to Paul] he’s heard me say this, he got a grin on his face when you
said that. But the whole situation is: we look for the differences. In species,
the 57, look for the similarities. When we look for those similarities and we
then begin to realize just how much we have in common and eventually we come to
the point of one thought: they are us… because everything within
the universe is interconnected. All species are interconnected. Anybody ever
ask why the common denominator is humanoid? You would not expect to find that
if there was not some type of galactic blueprint. You become spiritually
enlightened by going through this life, even those that we say are insane. On
the other side they are not insane.
K: Maybe we could find out a little bit about the
types of visitors that you’ve dealt with? Do you see them physically? Or are
you actually in an altered state, or are you able to see them in your mind? And
do you communicate with them telepathically?
C: They are as physical as you and I.
K: OK…
C: Yes, it would be telepathic. Some could talk
like you and I.
K: OK.
C: But you’ll have a lot that... they won’t do
that, and they all just want to communicate with you. But there’s one thing you
have to keep in mind, this is what a lot of people overlook, and that’s why it
gets to be so hard to talk about. You’re not just talking to
them. They know, and they feel everything you know and you feel.
You go in, you feel what they feel. And see some of these…. we
weren’t real good guys. We use the term visitor...
K: Sure.
C: But they’re treated like prisoners…
K: I understand…
C: …and there is no law under “protection” to
protect them.
K: Mm hm. Dan Burisch has talked about this as
well.
C: In 1960, and I can provide you with the
document: we have put together and formulated, NASA did, a book that they call
Outer Space Law. It would not be until the 1970s that the question of the legal
rights of a sentient being, not of this world, even came into play. And you
know what those rights are? There aren’t any.
K: Still to this day, you’re saying.
C: No more than the rights… a lab animal would
have more rights that one of our visitors. And yet they are vastly superior to
us in intellect and even in spirituality. They would permit themselves to be
killed – many of them would, many of the species – other than to do something
that would cause us to get injured or killed. And forgive me [emotional],
but this is what I’m trying to avoid.
K: I understand. OK, so, they, in a certain sense,
would sacrifice themselves because they have a deeper understanding of what’s
really going on than we do.
C: Absolutely.
K: So you must be very highly tuned spiritual
being yourself in order to be able to communicate with various races from other
planets the way you have, and to talk about it the way you do. That’s really a
gift. As you say, it’s not something taught, it’s something you come into this
incarnation with.
C: I like to think of myself... I want to be
normal, if you understand what I’m saying.
K: OK.
C: I know what you’re saying.
K: Externally, you appear like a normal person and
you’ve certainly held some very normal types of jobs in addition to what you
did, right? But you’re also ultra-normal, or you actually have used
some of the parts of humanity that are good parts that are not used by the
average man. Is that right?
C: Well, I hope so… [laughs]
K: OK. So that’s a beautiful thing. And we’re very
happy to meet someone in person who’s been doing this.
C: Well, with me, I think, the one thing... let me
see if I can say this and get it through real quick. When I was young, I played
with children that other people couldn’t see. To me this was perfectly normal.
And I knew about the imaginary friends and things of this sort, but this was
different. And it was perfectly normal. They’d even help me with my homework…and
this was perfectly normal. Now, no-one else could see these people. And of
course, I couldn’t understand that. Of course they would tell me “they haven’t
been selected, they can’t see us.” Because I was trying to tell other people
they were there. The one thing I could not do is that in being normal, I
thought other people had these same experiences, as a child not realizing that
that wasn’t the case. That was part of my environment, that
was part of my reality, these were things that were happening
to me. But I thought everyone had these experiences. But when
I found out and when it came to me that people were calling you crazy and you
were different... it would have been real easy to be normal and say... Haha…the
joke’s on you, and deny what was happening. I can not explain why could not do
that, but I could not do that.
K: OK…
C: And everything was going on… nothing out of the
real ordinary happened. And until... I always cared about animals, and if I
found one injured, I’d always try to nurse it back to health. As a child I did
not understand... that if you had a cut my mom would always hold my hand under
the water, or something like that, to wash it off. Well, I found this little
bird, it fell out of the nest and I went and got that little… I’m trying to
tell this without… I went and got that little bird and I held it under the
faucet not realizing that I was going to drown it doing that. The intent was to
help it. I probably cried for over a week over killing that little bird.
K: Uh huh…
C: Immediately for the first time ever, what I was
calling children… I got to see how they really looked. And this one particular
entity, I always knew as Korona... I was told “I’m Korona”, and that’s with a
“K”. At the time I didn’t even know how to spell Korona.
K: What kind of race... what would you term him,
what kind of being?
C: People would like for me to say he was gray.
But he wasn’t, he was green, and I mean like a pastel green. But immediately he
wanted to know why did I feel what I was feeling. This was unusual. And
immediately it was why did I feel what I was feeling that he could feel…
because he was more like a monitor with me.
K: So, he has a natural empathic quality and
abilities and it appears so did you. So it went both ways, as the telepathy
goes both ways.
C: I’ll carry it a step further. We see our
visitors as cartoon characters. They have cultures, they have societies, they
have families, they have loves, they have dislikes, they have likes, they can
feel pain, and they can feel fear.
K: So, this was maybe your first introduction into
that world in a more personal way, right?
C: It was the first glimpse, a shock... that these
things go on but not everyone shares them. And you never felt so alone. I can
remember breaking down and crying, begging my mom and dad to take me to see a
doctor because I knew the doctor could make the monsters go away.
K: I’m wondering if someone like you, one of
seven, who is able to communicate with aliens, wasn’t taken to a base on the
Moon, or a base on Mars. Now, whether or not you remember it, because I don’t
know if they use techniques to have you forget certain parts of your
experience.
C: There are things that I have no idea of could
have happened here on planet Earth… that I have very vivid memories of... that
I don’t see. For example, have you ever heard of a coffee cup that’s small,
that you put coffee in it and the coffee jar or whatever, it’s not a
percolator… golden color, cups were golden color, but you put the coffee in
there and you can drink it and it fills right back up. Now you see what I’m
saying? You understand why I’m hesitant to talk too much about stuff like that?
K: OK. So that’s really amazing. You have to admit
from the point of view of people that haven’t gone to the Moon or Mars... here
you are sitting talking to us and yet you may have had experiences that are so
far beyond our everyday experience on this planet and you must be… I mean,
there must be level at which you would love to share those experiences.
C: Oh yeah. And sometimes I make mistakes and I
let people see some things that I shouldn’t have let them see. Because this is
a part of something that is in my life that I’m to do something with.
K: Sure.
C: I don’t understand that. I don’t know what it
is.
K: That’s amazing because you have worked with
this world since the 60s, so you’re talking about 40-odd years and you’re still
wondering what it is, it’s all about for you in terms of your destiny, in terms
of what it is you’re here to do in the future, I guess. Am I understanding you?
C: There is something that is going to happen and
there is something that we’re to be a part of. And I don’t know what that is.
K: You started in the 1960s as an Interfacer?
C: Late 1960s.
K: OK. And I’m going to assume clear up until
today. Because you don’t lose the skill and if you’re one of seven, every once
in a while they’re going to come knocking on your door.
C: Well, they check on you from time to time.
K: OK. Visitors out there, different communities.
They certainly know how to find you, where you are at any given time and how
to, as you say, see what it is you’re going through. For example, they could be
seeing this going on right now. They could even have said to you: “Go ahead
with this, because this is a good thing.” Right? So, in a sense you’re talking
about your destiny. Meaning it’s not about money…it’s not even really a job in
the formal sense of the word, right? It’s a mission, but it’s an Earthly
mission, in a sense, that you have.
C: I would go along with that, that there’s...
you’re being driven to do something, you don’t have to fully understand it, but
it’s something you have to do. And the other scary aspect about it? You know
you... you don’t know why and you don’t know what, but it’s coming to an apex,
that what you’re doing, you’re fighting the clock.
K: Is the clock 2012? Is that the clock you’re
looking at?
C: I don’t know. And a lot of people say “Gee, if
you are worked with this you have all the answers.” You don’t have
all the answers. And he who comes up and told you they have all the answers is
not being truthful with you. You don’t know what it is. Why
would one want to go ahead, be in this field and subject themselves to
ridicule? And there are family problems. The situation is, my family doesn’t
understand this. They’ve been around enough they know, my wife more so than my
kids. I guess my daughter in Vietnam. We had a daughter we’d been fighting to
get out of Vietnam for almost 30 years. Anyhow, when she came over of course
she had her own family with her. And when we started to talk about UFOs, they
all knew about it and they all knew about certain things I was involved in and
it was the government of Vietnam had told them, which kinda shocked me. And right
now there is tremendous interest among a lot of the people in Vietnam about
UFOs.
K: Oh, really.
C: One of the first things that happened in
Vietnam was... and they called me by my proper name. Most people call me Stoney
or Cliff, but... we shot at these guys and I was the first one who pulled the
trigger. And it was “Clifford, what are you doing here? You’re not supposed to
be here.” And I was in the military and we were on a mission… but the strange
thing is… that what were they trying to say? That I wasn’t supposed to be in
military? Now remember, our military, here on Earth, that is man’s. Our
visitors, what did they plan for me to do?
K: Well, can you answer your question? I mean...
C: I have no answers. I have more questions than
you have about myself.
Two or three times I got out of the UFO field. Want me
to tell you a little secret? You can’t. There are people out there, and I’m one
of them... it’s not about money – God, I wish it was – I struggle every... and
he can tell you [referring to Paul], every month just to make my
bills. It’s more than that. But the hardest thing to do right now is make
people think for themselves, and to read. If they think for themselves, and
they read the documentation that’s out there – and I’m referring to the government’s
own evidence – if they read that with an open mind and they have to come away
and say “You know, there’s more to this. Something is going on”.
K: Sure.
C: Then the only questions left to be answered are
these: What’s going on? How much does our government know? And when did
they know it?
K: OK, well we want to thank you for your courage,
and for your integrity and for your spiritual development or awareness that
makes you able to communicate with these off-worlders at a time when few on the
planet are able to do so consciously.
[Over rolling end credits]
C: There were times that we were just minutes away
from going to a nuclear exchange because of UFO sightings. Thanks to the
Hotline that was set up, which the American people were truthfully told this
was to ensure that there wasn’t a nuclear war started by
accident due to false returns… and of course everybody had war scares. UFOs
were a reality. UFOs existed. They were being reported. They were being picked
up on radar. You had both radar and radar visuals that were taking place, you
had fighters trying to intercept them, so in order to reassure one another that
we’re not doing this, and it should have been commonplace that if we had this
technology or if they had that technology… there was nothing the other side
could do anyhow. We had missiles that would be knocked out, not destroyed, but
made incapable of firing. We had fighter aircraft that would fire on UFOs and
the weapons wouldn’t work.
K: You have actually used some of the parts of
humanity that are good parts, that are not used by the average man, is that
right?
C: Well, I hope so... [laughter]
