This is part 2 [click here for part 1] of the transcript of the explosive original testimony of Randy Cramer (aka Captain Kaye) who claims he served on Mars as part of an elite Mars Defense Force for just over 17 years. The main purpose was to protect a “Mars Colony Corporation” that had five civilian settlements on Mars from indigenous Martians. In the interview, Cramer describes how he traveled to secret Moon base to sign papers committing him to a 20 year tour of duty. He was then transported to a military base on Mars where his unit engaged in territorial battles with the native Reptilian and Insectoid Martians. This was Cramer’s second interview in a five part series where he described his training as a child super soldier to serve as a member of an elite Marine Corps unit that provides personnel for a secret space program with military bases on the Moon, Mars and other parts of the solar system.
Original Skype Audio Interview published through ExoNews.TV at https://youtu.be/YCTYkYcYuI0
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M.S. Michael Salla, Ph.D.
R.C. Randy Cramer (Capt, USMCss)
[0.00] – Red timestamp refers to the time in the interview
Note. Randy Cramer used the pseudonym Captain Kaye in the five part series of interviews published in April 2014. Linguistic redundancies such as “you know”, “so”, “and”, “ah,” etc. have been removed when appropriate for correct grammar and ease of reading. An ellipsis … will signify removed text to correct grammar or eliminate reduncies. Timestamps will enable the reader to locate the relevant audio passages.
Formatting: All questions are bold highlighted, and normal text is the response by Randy Cramer (Captain Kaye).
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TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW CONDUCTED VIA SKYPE
M.S. Right, now of course you arrived there on Mars around 1987, and 1975 was when Aries Prime was set up. Now this of course was during the Cold War, so was the Soviet Union a part of the Earth Defense Force and the running of Aries Prime?
[35.41]
R.C. Absolutely. Yes, the US, Russia, China, Germany, I mean everybody cooperated together. Absolutely it was taking place, and I have had this question a lot. How is it that these people cooperate, while at the same time, everyone is fighting. Like, who’s lying or is it just a show> I think the real answer to that is that the people who have separated themselves from regular state authorities over decades ago to establish the parallel organizations, are so separate that the people who don’t know what’s really going on, are really fighting with each other. They are all having all kinds of problems with each other, and hate each other, and want to kill each other. The people who have set themselves about that have done that other thing, which is we are going to cooperate for mutual goals and benefits, and try to sort out all these other problems down below over time by keeping them separate. So that’s just a little aside that explains why they do that.
[38.50]
M.S. I see, so at this point you are going to begin your official duties so what is it that you are now officially recruited into?
[37.02]
R.C. At that point I arrive at Aries Prime, and at that point we all get informed that we are now members of the Mars Defense Force (MDF). The MDF is the specific military organization, private contracted military organization which is specifically contracted to serve under the MCC [Mars Colony Corporation] to protect and defend the Mars Colony Corporation and its interests. We got informed you are now a member of the Mars Defense force, you will be assigned a chit, a little card, paper work that is going to tell which shuttle you are going to get on. Then you are going to get on that shuttle and that shuttle is going to take you to a station and that station is where you are going to be probably for the next 20 years, and when you get to that station then you will get informed exactly what you are doing, and exactly who you are working [with], and receive all necessary training equipment, etc., when you get there.
[38.11]
So I get my chit, I got my stacks of paper work, wandering out on to the tarmac again, being directed towards which shuttle I got to be on. This time, these vehicles are pretty small as far as not being much bigger than half a bus. They’re like half a city bus, they’re not that big. I think these things only sat about 20 guys, plus a pilot and a co-pilot up front and rows of seats kind of facing each other with a door out the back. So you come up, get in, sit down. Seats aren’t even all full in this particular vehicle, there are only like 15, 16 people, so we had a few empty seats. Unlike the larger vehicle which was a very smooth, very quiet lift-off, take-off, landing, not a lot of movement or momentum or disturbances, this vehicle was kind of loud and you could definitely feel that you were kind of shaking and moving when it lifted up off the ground… [It] seemed to do most of its maneuvering at between 15-20 feet off the ground, it was a kind of low to the ground vehicle. I think it could go higher but staying low to the ground meant it was less a target, … [inaudible] could be a target for anything that was higher in the air.
[39.47]
We spent like what seemed like … three or four hours of flying across this red rocky landscape. So we got to forward station Zebra which is where I spent the next 17 plus years of my life as a member of the special tactical operations division of 098 Forward Station Zebra which also housed in a sister division unit which was less than a 100 feet from the main station. So that there are kind of like two separate stations right next to each other, which [was] division 097. Our sister division was 097, we were division 098 Special Tactical Operations Division, Mars Defense Force, Forward Station Zebra.
[40.50]
We got there and we are introduced to that facility and again we are met by some young enlisted people who are already stationed there, walked us around, took us into the interior of the structure and then walked us around what I call, we called, “the horseshoe” because the main living quarters in the barracks was in the back, farthest retreat point as you come in the front, and the farthest at the back point of the station in a kind of horseshoe shape, so that the two horseshoe ends did come around and there was a hallway that connected them so they kind of formed a horseshoe shape…
[41.32]
They led us down the horseshoe, and as we walked around we’re calling out names and pointing into the individual barracks for the squads which were 16 all the way around. There were alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, all the way around, and went down. They were calling out “so and so alpha”, “so and so bravo.” We get to delta and it was me and another guy. It was like, Cramer, Hansen, Delta Squad. So we went in there and they said wait here for the rest of your team to get back, and you’ll get briefed by them and told what to do. I could go into [great] detail into these sorts of things, but long story short, the rest of the squad came back. We met, familiarized ourselves, all realized that we were going to have to be friends, and that was the first day I got to meet my squad and realize what was going to happen.
[42.32]
The next day was our first training day where we got to familiarize ourselves with the powered body armor, environment suits and the hand-held gauss rifles or magnetic propelled weapons, and practiced our simulations putting on and taking off our body armor, firing weapons, and shooting against what were supposedly known threats at the time. Got a briefing from the base intel officer on where we were, and what we were doing, what the threats were going to be… He explained to us the Mars Colony Corporations job is to extract minerals and resources that those folks do, and your job is to kill anything that tries to get in the way of that.
[43.27]
We were informed that the native species of Mars were numerous as it turns out. There’s a number of living things that live on Mars now. The surface is still kind of sparse compared to what it used to be before the grand accident, as I kind of think of it. Which at another place in the story it will be more appropriate to tell that part, talking about the history of Mars as I’ve come to understand it, or came to be told it. So we were given a briefing on who and what’s what. So it turns out there were two main evolved species other than us who were living on this planet that we might have to contend with.
A native Reptoid species and a native Insectoid species that don’t necessarily live in the same areas, but have their own nests and hives, whatever they wanted to call them at the time.
[44.28]
We were essentially treated to the typical [briefing], these are the native savages and beasts that you’re going to have to deal with. We weren’t given any kind of impression that these evolved or civilized cultures, or had high knowledge, or philosophy, or technology or anything. Just that these tended to be a really big pain in the butt that we were going to have to deal with. I learned later that that was not the case. These were a very evolved species, had quite a bit of intelligence, quite a bit of culture, quite a bit of civilization. We were not given that as a briefing.
[44.28]
We were explained what the main tactic and strategy of Mars was, and the way these beings worked on Mars was a constant testing of boundaries. Wherever your boundaries meet up against, a forward station meets up with the boundary of a Reptoid or Instectoid species, lair or hive, is going to be a place of contested space, where they will challenge that space. They will challenge that space as far as to raid and completely overwhelm your own hive or nest, as they like to call it. But they have a strategy, which is you don’t go in and completely eliminate somebody’s nest, you don’t kill everything inside the nest. If you actually get inside somebody’s hive or nest; or in our case our base, your goal is to kill all the soldiers, or kill all the army ants so to speak, or you kill, or break all the eggs in the hatchery, the next fringe generation of warriors. You’re not trying to eliminate or knock out the species since that would create a vacuum of space, and you don’t know necessarily what’s going to come in and occupy that neighboring space again because most of everyone is fairly contained where they’re at.
[46.35]
There’s not a lot of a need to have a hive or nest to expand there, or there and there. There’s a lot of isolationist, we’re OK here [sentiment]. You stay where you are, and we’ll occasionally test your area, and test your space, and we’ll occasionally reduce your level to be a threat to us by stomping on all your eggs, or by stomping on all your soldiers so you have to breed or grow a bunch more. That maintains a certain balance of safety, and a certain balance of “we can all grow and get along without anyone having to get too crazy or out of line.” It keeps everyone in a constant state of war and conflict, and threat, and attack and defense. Our main strategy, as we were told, was to defend those borders, and to occasionally raid somebody else’s nest and follow those same conditions. If we raided … somebody’s lair or nest we were not expected to wipe them out with every technology we had. We were supposed to do the same thing which is to stomp on the eggs, or step on all the little hatchlings, and set them back a couple of generations long enough [so] that it will be x number of months or whatever before they are going to be able to formulate any kind of offensive again.
[47.50]
We were informed that that was the way it was going to be and we were going to be spending quite a bit of time doing that. After the intel briefing on here’s where you are, here’s who you are fighting, and here’s where you’re going to be fighting it, we got a speech from the old man, the colonel of the base. A nice old guy, I mean a guy I still respect to this day quite a bit, who gave us his big speech on who we are, why we’re here. To be honest, it was a fairly motivating speech. He said a lot of positive things about who we are, and why we were there, what good we were doing there for our people on our planet back home, and why we should be proud of what we’re doing and where we are. Again, it was a good speech, I felt fairly motivated by it. So after we got everybody’s introduction speeches, then like I said, the next day it was straight … [unintelligible] figuring out how to work all the equipment … We probably had our first skirmish by the fifth day I was there.
[48.52]
M.S. You mentioned that the Reptoid and Insectoid races that were there were indigenous. I’m assuming that they don’t have anything to do with off-world Reptoid and Insectoid races that do have advanced spacecraft that travel through our galaxy, and have been reported to be interacting with people on Earth. That these indigenous Martian Reptoid and Insectoid races are some kind of indigenous development over many, many millennia.
[49.26]
R.C. Yes, definitely, at that point I can go into a little more detail into what I understand to be the Martian history as it was told to me. I have to jump a bit ahead I guess otherwise it will be this very long story. So I’ll just jump ahead into this really interesting part. Some years later, well into my second decade of my service … at the time I had gone from being a plebe in a fire team, to the squad leader of Delta Squad and we were captured, intentionally by the Reptoid species who referred to themselves as the Gah Luka [phonetic] which is as much as we think of ourselves as Earthlings because we live on Earth, Gah Luk is the name they call their planet, their home, so they really just call themselves people of home, the children of Gah Luka.
[50.42]
When we got captured, which remember was intentional, they decided that they had enough of whatever game playing we’d been doing over these years and it was time to get closer to who this hairless pink ape was that had landed and was giving them trouble. Again, they’re not savages. They’re very, very intelligent. In fact, they’re the remnants of the older ancient Martian species which was very advanced and had really advanced technology and space travel technologies. Advanced enough that they nearly destroyed themselves when they blew out their atmosphere. When the atmosphere got blown out, that essentially changed the pressure balance…. The pressure change made the oceans boil, and made the high pressure, low pressure systems so fast that 800 mph winds [blew]. While all of that air and moisture pushed out away from the planet and then gravity trying to pull it back in, some number of hours or days … was [all] that it took for the atmosphere [to] restabilize and create another bubble around it. By that time, everything had swirled around and thousand mph winds for who knows for how long, destroying every living thing on the surface.
[52.10]
If they had not already taken serious effort to have very deep and strong, completely secure, hundreds of feet underground, bases or cities of their own, they would never have survived because everything on the surface was absolutely annihilated. My understanding of what happened at that point is the surviving Reptoids who were all underground at that point, there was a moment of realization and awakening for them to go “wow, we just killed our planet.” That was not very cool of us…. There was pretty much a division, and I won’t say right down the middle. There was two sides that formed out of this. There was those who said, “wow, we’ve done a bad thing and we’re going to have to pay our penance for this, and we’re going to have to stay here and fix this. We are going to have to stay here and heal our planet, and re-terraform our planet… If it takes the next ten, twenty, whatever thousand years, well that’s our responsibility and what we are going to have to do in order to fix what we’ve done which is actually kill everything on the surface of the planet.”
[53.22]
The other faction was, “hell no, we’re getting out of here. Everything is dead, it’s gone, goodbye, it’s over. We might as well leave.” They picked up and left. It’s entirely possible or even likely that some of them came here [Earth], and that … one of the many species of Reptoids that came here ten or twenty thousand years ago that may or may not be friendly, giving us some trouble, certainly could have been some of those Martian Reptoids who left when that happened. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t only them, and I’m pretty sure there’s more species that have done more harm to us than they have. But if anything, they could be one of those mid-level management illuminati type species, or something that could be here on Earth, that could be an answer for that.
[54.25]
But the ones that stayed, really changed their ways to be honest. The sort of difference between the northern tribes and the southern tribes, as they are known now, is that the southern tribe have decided that to appease their planet that they should return to the old ways. So much of their choice to fight with primitive weaponry, or to fight using more primitive warlike techniques is a very specific stance on their part to do what they think, which is to be true to the old ways of their world and of their planet in order to have this old warrior philosophy, and this old way of living, than having war, since obviously the new way got everybody killed… So their philosophy is Luddite, “let’s go back, forward was bad, so let’s go back, that’s the way we should fix this.” So the southern tribes, I wouldn’t say they’re the friendliest or really the folks there that we would want to try and make good relationships with, or have positive relationships with, because they’re not interested in it. They are interested in a life of war, that’s what they do and they believe that’s being true to their planet, and their true being is to be warlike.
[55.48]
The northern tribes are a little more varied, a little more different, and in some cases more mystical, more spiritual … and so when we were captured it was to get to the bottom of who we were and what was going on in our heads so that they could decide whether to wipe out this interloper that had come, this invasive species. Or whether it was something that should cohabitate and learn from this experience on their world as well. It was through a kind of lengthy process, a pretty painful torturous process, they weren’t nice about it at first. They were really wanting to get to the bottom of it. So there were a number of days where I was hung up with my arms, like this, in a stress position, being asked questions for a number of days before being let down, and allowed to mingle with the community and given a chance to participate as a member of the group. I felt really blessed, given that opportunity, and got to spend enough time to learn quite a bit, and in that period of time was also taken by a leader of that Reptoid tribe to meet the Insectoid tribe, and got to meet them for the first time through the Saurians, as a liaison, as a go-between. That was really interesting.
[57.13]
The Insectoids were essentially a subterranean species who were coming along as far as higher intelligence, and their ability to manipulate their own biology, and ability to organically grow and hatch things the way they wanted to. They were very advanced for an insect species that don’t use any kind of electronic technology … we were surprised at the kind of thing that can be accomplished. Essentially, when the Reptoids were driven underground by the surface being destroyed, that allowed in the time of re-terraforming the surface, the opportunity for the insects to come to the surface and they started building large hives out on the surface to expand. The fact that the Reptoids nearly annihilated themselves is what allowed it [Mars] to become a two species planet…. This other species was able to sort of come out, secure some space; and according to the Reptoids own system of what they believe are laws [of] how their planet works, the insects could defend and maintain their space by playing with the same rules of respect and strength, then it was OK. They could set out their space and they could all cohabitate together, and still have the occasional skirmish or invasion of one another since that’s what you do sometimes.
[58.50]
There was also interestingly quite a good peace treaty between most of the northern tribes and the insects. The insects and the northern tribes didn’t fight much. They really had their shit together. Anyway, I could blah blah about that, but I’ll let you ask another question or go on.
[59.05]
M.S. Essentially, your primary responsibility when stationed at Forward Station Zebra was to participate in any Martian surface hostilities and to protect the Mars Colony Corporation, the different outposts they had there. I guess this may be what happened later, was there off world battles that you were a part of, or you knew were occurring and this was something you would support in some way, or later on became directly active in?
[59.45]
[R.C.]To my knowledge at the time, we weren’t given a lot of details in our daily briefings on what was happening outside of the Martian surface, or what was happening too far outside of our zone. We even didn’t get reports on what was happening at the other stations, or what was happening with the other settlements. We got really limited information on what was happening in our zone, and our area that our forward station was responsible for. We got the impression from everything else that was going on, that there was also a battle happening in the skies, with certain peoples. We couldn’t necessarily have a lot of information of who was fighting or shooting at who. I guess I should say this, the conflict itself, we didn’t understand who everybody was in this game, because while there were a native Reptoid species, and a native Insectoid species, and us, there also was an invasive Reptoid species which for several years we did not understand was separate from the native species.
[1:01.03]
For a number of years we just assumed that a reptile was a reptile was a reptile, and they were all part of the same group, even if they were different in size, shape or color. They just must be different kinds of ranks, or distinctions, or individual races, that they are working with. We presumed for a long time that all the reptiles were the same, and they weren’t. There was an invasive Reptoid species, they were Draconians, Alpha Draconians. For a long time we thought the two reptiles were the same. The Draconians were really trying to play off, getting everyone else to fight with each other. So the more hostility, the more crazy action, they could encourage us to take against each other, the native saurian, the native insects, and us, was good for them. It took quite a bit of time to realize through good intelligence that was not the case, and we needed to sort of rethink what was happening. Our goal definitely was to defend everything and anything that threatened, but I just want to make the distinction that what we thought that was, wasn’t exactly what that was. It was partly because of bad intelligence, and partly because of species ignorance, like they all have the same thing … [without realizing] they were two completely different species.
[1:02.39]
We didn’t know that the native reptiles and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and the insects and the invasive reptiles were fighting, and trying to get us to fight with each other, to keep us from fighting them. We didn’t realize that if we were under attack from the air, it wasn’t the same reptiles that were trying to attack us from underground, across the sand. So it was pretty confusing for while, as far as who was doing what, and what was fighting. Day to day operations was that if anything comes close, suit up, go out, fight with it. If anything comes to raid or invade, go through the protocols of defending the space until it’s over, then do the same thing the next day if you have to.
[1:03.23]
M.S. There have been a number of sources that have described a human indigenous race on Mars that historically, at a time of devastation, that it’s possible that they emigrated to the Earth, and some of them went underground. Did you ever come across any kind of evidence, or any information about an indigenous human looking Martian race?
[1:03.49]
RC. Not an indigenous one. It was explained to me that many different species have touched the surface of Mars over the years. Just like many species have touched the surface of the Earth over the years. So Mars is no exception to that. They certainly had a number of other Reptoid, Mammalian and other types of species that have come there, hung out for a while, stayed for a while, had conflict, then left. There were certainly times when the native Reptoids were not as advanced … [inaudible] add technology, help them, hinder them, use them … they’ve had kind of the same story but in their own unique way that we have in that way.
[1:04.46]
M.S. So you’re stationed at [Forward] Station Zebra for 17 years and you’re doing all this fighting, suiting up to do battle with whoever is threating the Mars Colony or Aires Prime or other settlements, in your down time, what did you do for recreation. Did you travel to Aries Prime, and just hung out? What was happening in the down time?
[1:05.18]
R.C. Oh, sure, we never left the station ever, unless it was military related, we had to go out to defend something, and come back. We never left. All our down time and recreation time was spent in the horseshoe pretty much. Luckily, there were the simulators which we used for training, could also be used for recreation. They’re essentially a kind of holographic experiential system that you hook into. There’s headgear, and a kind of body thing that you sit into, and you engage in this completely virtual experience that has the ability because it’s completely hooked into your central nervous system, to train muscle memory at the same time. So we actually did a lot of training in the simulators in which going through the virtual simulated experiences are actually doing all the same messaging, electro, bioelectrically through our bodies, at least doing the same training as muscle memory. The weight of information that is transmitted in the simulators, is faster than real time. So you can actually do 12 hours of training in a simulator, in three hours of actual time. So those same simulators are also used for recreation. OK, so where do we want to go today? Let’s go hang out on the beach. Ok, let’s go hang out at the beach. You plug into the simulator and hang out at the beach for the afternoon.
[1:06.56]
M.S. I see, so for example female companionship, were females allowed on the station, or was it using these simulators?
[1:07.10]
R.C. It was absolutely mixed co-ed group. Men and women were assigned to the special tactical operations division there. Again, I would say in the supersoldier categories you still had this kind of two thirds, almost male, to a third female ratio. There definitely were more men than there were women, but in order to deal with that, in order to deal with what otherwise would have been a pretty competitive situation, the rules and regulations were pretty much set up for a very liberal approach to soldiers having sex with each other, both hetero and homoerotic in ways that were considered as long as it’s in your off-time, and it’s in such a way, do whatever you need to do to get your hormones out of the way. Otherwise there were too many fights and people were knocking each other out in the hallways over things that didn’t really matter. So it was a very liberal policy towards interaction. A very liberal policy towards sexual interaction and in your off-time you could pretty much do what you want. We did have a mixed bunch.
[1:08.32]
M.S. After spending 17 years on Forward Station Zebra what rank did you attain, what responsibilities did you have, and what happened that precipitated the next transition in your own off-world activities.
[1:08.53]
R.C. I’m realizing that the question you asked me earlier I didn’t get to finish, [I can finish] by answering this question. In my capacity in special tactical operations division, I moved all the way up to Sergeant-Major after a 17 year 3 month period of time. Just a little over 17 years. At that time, a horrible disaster occurred. I’m going to have to choose my words carefully here. It wasn’t an accident, it wasn’t a natural disaster, but suffice to say that my division 098, our sister division 097, and two other divisions from a neighboring station 096 and 095, which is about 244 per division. 16 squads of 16 persons each which I think is 244 [actually 254] times four, nearly, just under a thousand of us. When it was over, out of that thousand, there were less than 35, [of] which I was a surviving member. It was a really bad thing which everyone got killed. At that point, it was over, the division was done. If they were going to rebuild the division, they were going to have to rebuild from scratch. There was no way you were going to take the six or seven guys out of the division that was left and watch the entire rest of the division get massacred, and put them back in, and be a part of the next division. That just wasn’t going to happen.
[1:10.57]
I had a superior officer who came to me when I was in my Med-bed recovering, and asked me if I wanted to go to a flight school and fly. I didn’t have to bat an eye. I was like of course I want to fly. He said, “great, as soon as you’re done here, the docs clear you here, we’re going to send you off to OCS [Officer Candidate School] Officer School, and you get to go fly. The last almost three years of my time, in my 20 year tour, I got to spend as a pilot, an officer, as a captain. At that point [OCS] was still in a marine air corps division … The Air Corps division interestingly enough, I think was modelled after a US Air Force program but contained a number of pilots and officers from other branches of the military. While we all got to wear the same uniform, we had distinctive ribbons and patches that identified exactly which service and country we were from. Unlike what it was like on the ground. On the ground we all had a completely different uniform, an MDF uniform, that didn’t have any of that insignia or marking on it. But when we moved to the flight division, that was different. We were more clearly identified as where we were from, and from what country we were from so that everyone… It was way more of an international mixing together. So that’s to answer the question about things that were happening in the air. Yeh, that last few years I got to spend in the air, in various skirmishes around the solar system, and doing a few interesting things in that capacity, Including the bombing of the Zeta base on Ganymede, which to my knowledge, our problems with the Zetas ended when we bombed the f. out of their base on Ganymede.
[1:13.05]
M.S. I was going to leave questions about the last three years of your service for another part, a final concluding part, but I wanted to finish this part by finding out [about] this final battle where your division was wiped out with approximately a thousand casualties. Firstly what did that battle involve, was it the indigenous races there on Mars? Finally, what was the fall-out for the Mars Colony Corporation, were the Corporations activities destroyed, or inhibited by what happened to the Mars Defense Force.
[1:13.51]
R.C. All very good questions. Essentially at this time, just before this mission occurred, the war was over. A war which I had spent 17 years as a part of, but had started way before I did. My understanding, [it] raged for over 25 years. That was over, we had actually signed treaties with the native Reptoids and the native Insectoids, and had recognized the invading Reptoids [Draconians] as the bad guys, and had all got together and signed a treaty. [We] ganged up on them [Draconians], three against one, and drove them completely out of the Martian sphere for good. That was huge, that was a big applause moment and we essentially got told, “OK, we need you guys to go in to this Reptoid Hive which was supposed to be a much older, older site that had artifacts that are really old, that the scientists want.” [It] was not uncommon for them to find some area or ruin that had some old archeological facets, technologies that they would send us in to try and extract or get. Sometimes it would be just junk, and sometimes some interesting weird stuff. Sometimes it would be, oh, crap, there’s a nest of them here, and we’d run away, because we didn’t bring enough guys.
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We ended the war and instead of ending the war, they were like, OK, go get this thing at this site and we are sending four divisions, a thousand of you. Which is pretty weird to send a thousand guys on a go pick-up an object kind of mission. Most of us thought that was pretty weird and most of us had a bad feeling about what we were doing. We thought “wait, wait, wait, we don’t want this to be misinterpreted. We signed a treaty with these guys and we ganged up on the real bad guys with these guys, do we really want to risk [that] by sending a thousand guys to one of their older, more ancient temple sites that they’ve asked us not to go into? They’re not going to receive that very well.” Some of us were concerned. I certainly being a senior enlisted person protested to my command officer, to the command staff, and I protested to the old man [the commanding Colonel], used whatever weight I carried with him to say, “look, look, I don’t think this is a good idea. I think this is dirty, I don’t think we are going to make out with this, and we should know better that meeting these guys in the field, that they hold back, nine times out of ten. If they really come at us mad, we’re done. They’re really powerful warriors and most of the time they really fight restrained because if they really came at us with barrels it would be all over quickly. It’s no fun for them in that way.” Knowing that, I was not interested in walking into whatever we were walking into. But the old man really agreed with me, that he didn’t like it either. He said, “I got my orders, now you got yours, and do what I know you do best and get in there, get your job done and get out. If there’s a problem, get out. I trust you to command your people, and I trust you to be a top guy down there on the ground, and I … can’t be there which is why you’re going to be there, and that’s why I hope this is going to go as badly as I think it will either. But, we all got our orders, so go do it.”
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RC. We essentially had to come at this large underground ancient site through a series of tunnels and caves that kind of went down to it. We didn’t want to send everyone through one direction, plus that would have bottled us up in the smaller caverns we couldn’t fit more than six or eight guys across. You got a thousand guys, that makes crowded hallways. We try to keep … directions as we could. Sure enough, we get into this main domed building area which is essentially like standing inside something the size of the superdome or the astrodome or whatever. Some kind of domed sports arena. It was just that big and that round or so. We all kind of got down inside and we’re trying to communicate with HQ to figure out what’s next, and that’s when all the communications went dead, and our radios and our signals were jammed, and we all started looking at each other going this can’t be good. Then all round this large domed roof, at even intervals, what appeared to be rocky surface became doorways. I’m not sure if that was a solid holographic, or not a solid holographic, or what looked like solid wall, was all of a sudden not solid wall, and was doorways going all the way round this room. Like streams coming out of a drainpipe, from each hole come floods of these very large, very mean, very angry Martian [Reptoid] warriors, swaying around in both hands large bladed weapons. They just started moving around and surrounding everybody and moving in a big circle, a spiral, and swinging. An outer circle of all of our people just starting dropping and being cut, [we] tried to pull in, and pull in, try to get some distance to try to manage to fight and defend. No, it was like being caught inside a blender.
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By that stage we, the egg heads, had developed a localized wormhole technology so a lot of our transporting of troops at that stage in the game, was being done by a localized wormhole phenomenon. But they [Reptoids] had completely jammed out ability to communicate, were jamming our ability to send localized troop transport coordinates … Someone managed to get their radio going correctly, or managed to get another signal on another frequency so they were able to connect to HQ, and try and communicate what was going on, and what we should do, what was happening. They kept telling us to stay put, not like we could do anything else, and any minute now they would have figured out how to get the wormholes back open and get us out of there.
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Well what happened was the craft that uses the localized wormhole phenomenon [was jammed] so they had to use the larger ship transport wormhole phenomenon which created this large ship sized wormhole right above us. [It] sucked up the survivors, what was left at that point. The circle kept getting smaller and smaller, and then whoever got caught in the event horizon of that ship wormhole was sliced right off wherever they touched the event horizon. The next thing I know we’re on the Med-bay pad and medics coming in … [Randy gets very emotional] I can see her top half, blood coming out of her so fast that she went pale so fast, and lifeless so fast. All I could do was yell, “medic, medic, I need a medic over here. I got people dying.” It was chaos, and everybody died except the 35 or so of us that didn’t. My understanding was that this was a dumb command decision by people at the MCC who wanted whatever this thing that was so special … they were willing to violate treaty space, [what] we had already decided was treaty space, by sending a thousand guys to their death.
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To my knowledge I think the MCC really suffered from that. I don’t think the native Martians would have chosen at that point to say, “you betrayed it, we’re going to wipe you out now.” I think they would have said, “well, we killed all your guys who came into our temple, like we told you not to. That will teach you that lesson.” I would imagine that anyone else who thought … [inaudible] a harsh response from them at that point. They essentially … [inaudible] parameters of the treaty. I seriously doubt that would degrade back into war based on the treaty we filed, but it would be seen as an overstep that was responded with, “well your guys came over here like they shouldn’t and we killed them all like we told you we would if you did. Don’t do it again.”
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M.S. Well thanks for sharing that. I think a lot of the listeners would appreciate knowing exactly what it was that happened, even though the details are obviously a very moving and traumatic for you, a lot of viewers would benefit to know what exactly happened, and what the ramifications were. So I’m going to bring this part to a close, and then we will come back for another part to look at the final three years and wrap things up. I want to thank you Captain Kaye, and we’ll be back soon.
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